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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 14, 2013 6:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Random Thought Of The Day: The Problem With Pockets – One Head’s Journey To Freedom

Oh yeah right. Girls don't worry about being cool. "What do I wear?" is only a guy question.

My version of the Overstuffed Pockets was on the way to my first "road trip" -- which was only maybe 2-3 hours away, but it felt like some kind of amazing adventure. So I helpfully showed up at the car with this huge grocery bag full of the most ridiculous picnic supplies. Basically everything my mom would have brought: Wheat Thins, Triscuits, dip, etc. For all I know I had little carrot sticks and radish flowers. I guess I thought we might be snowed in en route and living on my supplies for a week. We really had to squeeze into the car to fit around the Gigantic Bottomless Mom Bag.



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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Feb 14, 2013 8:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Random Thought Of The Day: The Problem With Pockets – One Head’s Journey To Freedom

>"What do I wear?" is only a guy question.

And who do a majority of women concerned with such questions dress for if not themselves? Men or other women? I would argue the latter, by far.



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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 14, 2013 8:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Random Thought Of The Day: The Problem With Pockets – One Head’s Journey To Freedom

Oh, I don't think it's as simple as "men, other women or yourself." When I was 20, if there was a guy I liked, I'm sure I cared about what he'd think. But at the same time I doubt I ever thought that a guy would look at some scarf I had on and think, "Wow, that looks great, I really want to go out with her because she has such excellent taste in scarves." Uh huh.

I think everyone wants to look "good," whatever their age/lifestyle/gender/etc., and that means the judgment of others, consciously or not. If people paid no attention to others at all, well, today I might put on an Edwardian tea gown because it would be so pretty. But unfortunately I would look insane. So I wouldn't. Also my closet is unfortunately thin on Edwardian tea gowns.

But the key thing about those vague theoretical "Others" is that it really means "Those Others Whose Judgment Agrees with Mine Because They're So Innately Sensible." So even if you could say you're "dressing for Others," you're really dressing for yourself and your own idea of what's nice.

Well, unless you watch "What Not to Wear." And then I just can't comment cuz I don't get it at all.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Feb 14, 2013 9:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Random Thought Of The Day: The Problem With Pockets – One Head’s Journey To Freedom

I just looked up What Not to Wear and I can not help you.

My comment about who women dress for has been impressed on me by other women. Though anecdotal, it does strike me as something I've heard across time and place and generation. Maybe the flipped quarter has just come up heads 80 times in a row for me> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbInZ5oJ0bc

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 14, 2013 9:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Random Thought Of The Day: The Problem With Pockets – One Head’s Journey To Freedom

I haven't seen it a lot, but my SIL loves it. I always think they start out looking better than they end up. So I guess I don't dress for the women who watch What Not to Wear. Fortunately I'm far away or I'd probably become the Lucky Recipient of a Surprise Makeover. I'd be in the show where all you see is someone running away, very fast.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 15, 2013 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Random Thought Of The Day: The Problem With Pockets – One Head’s Journey To Freedom

Ha--well, actually, I think you and DD support my thesis (which was NOT "do both sexes care?", a truism of course, but how do they differ in this regard due to the 60s?)...specifically, what I was commenting on was the fact that in HS, in the 70s, we DEAD Heads thought we were being counter culturish, anti-establishment, blah, blah, blah, but it was far more about being cool, and appealing, and all the other guy stuff (gal stuff too).

However, the gals at Cal were far more serious about it: one (I did) only compare the guys and gals of the 70s at Cal vs ASU: huge, huge differences in dress, shaving, etc (all stereotypes apply). Guys could be swapped between those two campuses much more easily without shock than could the gals...

In any event, nothing so ironclad as my usu confidence would imply, but really, for the gals it was more of a dramatic shift than the guys, it seemed...and, they perhaps "changed more" by giving up on the "what not to wear" approach (which is western society standards, but pretty simple stuff about symetry, curves, and hair length, blah, blah)...?

Nonetheless, I would venture to say that you two may represent the dress code moreso that many of the males here? Dunno...interesting question.

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Feb 14, 2013 10:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Random Thought Of The Day: The Problem With Pockets – One Head’s Journey To Freedom

I have seen the show a few times and I couldn't agree more...I would be running away right along with you! I also think the women always look better before...I love my clothes and $5000 wouldn't get me to part with them...and trust me, the people on that show would get rid of just about everything I own. They would also make me cut my hair and dye it...there is no way I'm doing either of those things.